Comments on: Philosophy vs. Conspiracy http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/ Advancing the cause of liberty in light of the restored gospel. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:55:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Pat http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-5672 Pat Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:41:27 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-5672 Any society predisposed to conspiracy and coverup can't handle the truth, and requires fantasy to survive, a presumption that is never made by ordinary souls but by those who would impose their own global perspective upon others and have the power to do so, stealing the right to think for oneself, and along with it, the right to liberty. Conspiracies are evidence of sick societies, not healthy ones; they are conceived as false substitutes for the inability to discern reality bound in truth. Story telling is done to color and disguise the truth, not to reveal it. Conspiracies are a form of detour from the truth, the compass of those with more to gain from deception than truth. Any society predisposed to conspiracy and coverup can’t handle the truth, and requires fantasy to survive, a presumption that is never made by ordinary souls but by those who would impose their own global perspective upon others and have the power to do so, stealing the right to think for oneself, and along with it, the right to liberty.

Conspiracies are evidence of sick societies, not healthy ones; they are conceived as false substitutes for the inability to discern reality bound in truth. Story telling is done to color and disguise the truth, not to reveal it. Conspiracies are a form of detour from the truth, the compass of those with more to gain from deception than truth.

]]> By: Steven http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-242 Steven Mon, 19 Apr 2010 02:03:19 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-242 This approach this article suggest seems similar to discussing the principles of the church without getting into any of that crazy "Joe Smith" stuff. I really don't think you can divorce the two. The fact that our government was complicit or responsible for 911 has everything to do with understanding just what we are really dealing with and also understanding the extent to which things have deteriorated. 911 & JFK are elephants in the room. The fact that most people either don't care or can't see the elephant in the room speaks to how well Laman and Lemuel would fit in to our society. I have a very difficult time believing that things in this country are going to change and that a critical mass off individuals are going to pay attention long enough to stop us from driving right off the cliff. The typical beer a day well meaning idiot gulping down Bill O'reilly doesn't want to talk about the constitution or its principles. They want to get back to the football game. I really think it's easiest to awaken them to the consequences and evil that have been evidenced by the conspiracy. The fact that JFK is decades old and hasn't spurred much concern is the canary in the mine. 911 is almost 10 years old, more than obvious to anyone that will take a half hour to look at the facts. I don't think there's a chance that we're going to turn this bus around. The time of the gentiles has passed. These are perilous times. This approach this article suggest seems similar to discussing the principles of the church without getting into any of that crazy “Joe Smith” stuff. I really don’t think you can divorce the two. The fact that our government was complicit or responsible for 911 has everything to do with understanding just what we are really dealing with and also understanding the extent to which things have deteriorated. 911 & JFK are elephants in the room. The fact that most people either don’t care or can’t see the elephant in the room speaks to how well Laman and Lemuel would fit in to our society. I have a very difficult time believing that things in this country are going to change and that a critical mass off individuals are going to pay attention long enough to stop us from driving right off the cliff. The typical beer a day well meaning idiot gulping down Bill O’reilly doesn’t want to talk about the constitution or its principles. They want to get back to the football game. I really think it’s easiest to awaken them to the consequences and evil that have been evidenced by the conspiracy. The fact that JFK is decades old and hasn’t spurred much concern is the canary in the mine. 911 is almost 10 years old, more than obvious to anyone that will take a half hour to look at the facts. I don’t think there’s a chance that we’re going to turn this bus around. The time of the gentiles has passed. These are perilous times.

]]> By: Tremain Petersen http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-241 Tremain Petersen Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:27:22 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-241 The key to destroying secret combinations is not necessarily in exposing them. After all, the Gadiaton Robbers became so numerous in the first part of 3Nephi that they were hardly a secret any more. Their destructive and tyrannical intent was obvious to all. The key to overcoming secret combinations of any size whether known or not is in learning, living and promoting correct principles. Only by being strongly rooted in the true principles of liberty can we sort the good from the evil and/or ignorant in our political leaders, and hold those we elect to office accountable to those same principles when making our laws. The constant most important point in all of this is to find the founding principle behind every belief, practice, tradition, policy, theory, etc. and examine it thoroughly in the gospel light we’ve been given to determine it’s veracity or not. This is our only sure protection. Because of this it seems clear to me that teaching and expounding correct principles should come first in our efforts to promote liberty to our fellow man. The key to destroying secret combinations is not necessarily in exposing them. After all, the Gadiaton Robbers became so numerous in the first part of 3Nephi that they were hardly a secret any more. Their destructive and tyrannical intent was obvious to all. The key to overcoming secret combinations of any size whether known or not is in learning, living and promoting correct principles. Only by being strongly rooted in the true principles of liberty can we sort the good from the evil and/or ignorant in our political leaders, and hold those we elect to office accountable to those same principles when making our laws. The constant most important point in all of this is to find the founding principle behind every belief, practice, tradition, policy, theory, etc. and examine it thoroughly in the gospel light we’ve been given to determine it’s veracity or not. This is our only sure protection. Because of this it seems clear to me that teaching and expounding correct principles should come first in our efforts to promote liberty to our fellow man.

]]> By: Cory Seegmiller http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-240 Cory Seegmiller Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:13:36 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-240 I've found that with a little probing you can usually tell who is going to be amenable to a conspiracy throw-down and who is not. Many have been prepared by the Spirit and are willing to soak it up. I love that. Then there are those who aren't so ready. They are fun, too! You just have to be willing to go the distance with them. If you push those who are not ready, by getting all up in their grill about conspiracy stuff, then you have lost a convert for life. All you're gonna do is make them mad and prove that you are a socially inept freak. On the other hand, if you give them their space and gently approach them multiple times with evidence that would lead one to believe that Moroni wasn't a big fat idiot, or liar, and that John's revelation isn't totally opaque to our understanding, and that Pres. Benson wasn't a looney-toon, then most people will come around as soon as they are ready to listen to the Spirit. The milk must come before the meat. A foundationless house won't stand. Understanding why the conspiracy can do what they do, i.e. violating the principles of freedom, is usually a good thing to understand if you are even going to have a chance of comprehending what they are doing to us. I’ve found that with a little probing you can usually tell who is going to be amenable to a conspiracy throw-down and who is not. Many have been prepared by the Spirit and are willing to soak it up. I love that. Then there are those who aren’t so ready. They are fun, too! You just have to be willing to go the distance with them.

If you push those who are not ready, by getting all up in their grill about conspiracy stuff, then you have lost a convert for life. All you’re gonna do is make them mad and prove that you are a socially inept freak. On the other hand, if you give them their space and gently approach them multiple times with evidence that would lead one to believe that Moroni wasn’t a big fat idiot, or liar, and that John’s revelation isn’t totally opaque to our understanding, and that Pres. Benson wasn’t a looney-toon, then most people will come around as soon as they are ready to listen to the Spirit.

The milk must come before the meat. A foundationless house won’t stand. Understanding why the conspiracy can do what they do, i.e. violating the principles of freedom, is usually a good thing to understand if you are even going to have a chance of comprehending what they are doing to us.

]]> By: On Whether to Tear Down or Build Up | Mormon Bloggers http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-239 On Whether to Tear Down or Build Up | Mormon Bloggers Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:28:53 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-239 [...] article, also published here, elicited a flurry of responses both of support and opposition. Many commenters had a problem with [...] [...] article, also published here, elicited a flurry of responses both of support and opposition. Many commenters had a problem with [...]

]]> By: Connor http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-238 Connor Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:54:32 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-238 I have published a response to this article here: <a href="http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/on-whether-to-tear-down-or-build-up" rel="nofollow">http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/on-whether-to-tear-down-or-build-up</a> I have published a response to this article here: http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/on-whether-to-tear-down-or-build-up

]]> By: Lone Star http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-237 Lone Star Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:05:13 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-237 I can't help but read the last post and restate a point I made earlier. The people in the Great and Spacious building pointed their fingers and were in the attitude of mocking those who were the humble followers of Christ. Unfortunately, many people were ashamed and fell away because of the world who mocked them. I find it interesting how frequently those who believe in secret combinations tend to be the subject of ridicule, even within our church. How is it that we can think it's acceptable to mock others with a hateful attitude and think we're doing the Lord's work? The War in Heaven was fought over free agency. This war is still taking place today. If we expect to be victorious, we must emulate Christ in everything we do. It is just as important to know the principles of liberty and freedom as it is to know and understand the nature of the secret combination that seeks to destroy the freedom of all nations. Moroni was explicitly clear when he commanded us to awake to our situation. Ether 8 contains warnings and commandments meant for us as Latter Day Saints today. If we fail to understand or follow the commandments we've been given, we will certainly suffer the consequences. Our prophets today have provided excellent examples for us in teaching the principles of free agency. If we follow their example and do our best to follow Christ's example for us, we can and will prevail over the enemies of freedom. I can’t help but read the last post and restate a point I made earlier.
The people in the Great and Spacious building pointed their fingers and were in the attitude of mocking those who were the humble followers of Christ. Unfortunately, many people were ashamed and fell away because of the world who mocked them.

I find it interesting how frequently those who believe in secret combinations tend to be the subject of ridicule, even within our church.

How is it that we can think it’s acceptable to mock others with a hateful attitude and think we’re doing the Lord’s work? The War in Heaven was fought over free agency. This war is still taking place today. If we expect to be victorious, we must emulate Christ in everything we do.

It is just as important to know the principles of liberty and freedom as it is to know and understand the nature of the secret combination that seeks to destroy the freedom of all nations. Moroni was explicitly clear when he commanded us to awake to our situation. Ether 8 contains warnings and commandments meant for us as Latter Day Saints today. If we fail to understand or follow the commandments we’ve been given, we will certainly suffer the consequences.

Our prophets today have provided excellent examples for us in teaching the principles of free agency. If we follow their example and do our best to follow Christ’s example for us, we can and will prevail over the enemies of freedom.

]]> By: terry brown http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-236 terry brown Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:27:38 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-236 The extremely long and nutty comments make Jerry's point -- a lot of people are wasting time and precious rare brain space on things that just aren't true or are simply irrelevant. Case in point: some angry idiot copied a long article about Paul Krugman's criticism of free market abuses to prove 1) he is a Marxist (which is not true), 2) therefore it is correct to censor his speech (through boorish booing of his speeches). For angry idiots, this is what freedom means: Freedom is the best, therefore I can make sh*t up when I defend freedom. If someone disagrees with my sh*t, it's because they disagree with freedom. Those who disagree with freedom, are enemies of freedom, and are therefore dangerous. I am justified in using any sh*t I can to defend myself from danger -- it's just self-defence. Some call that "crazy." The extremely long and nutty comments make Jerry’s point — a lot of people are wasting time and precious rare brain space on things that just aren’t true or are simply irrelevant.
Case in point: some angry idiot copied a long article about Paul Krugman’s criticism of free market abuses to prove 1) he is a Marxist (which is not true), 2) therefore it is correct to censor his speech (through boorish booing of his speeches).
For angry idiots, this is what freedom means: Freedom is the best, therefore I can make sh*t up when I defend freedom. If someone disagrees with my sh*t, it’s because they disagree with freedom. Those who disagree with freedom, are enemies of freedom, and are therefore dangerous. I am justified in using any sh*t I can to defend myself from danger — it’s just self-defence.
Some call that “crazy.”

]]> By: Bryce Beattie http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-235 Bryce Beattie Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:49:41 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-235 I tend to agree with Jerry. From a practical standpoint, I can almost never convince someone of anything if I start by attacking his hero or someone he respects. If somebody came up to me and said "Brigham Young was really a communist, so all you Mormons are idiots." or "You Mormons have all been duped into believing..." My response would be to turn off everything he said after that. If someone came up to me and said, "I think the government has a responsibility to promote the general welfare by increasing social programs." I would probably be willing to talk to them and debate the subject. I tend to agree with Jerry. From a practical standpoint, I can almost never convince someone of anything if I start by attacking his hero or someone he respects.

If somebody came up to me and said “Brigham Young was really a communist, so all you Mormons are idiots.” or “You Mormons have all been duped into believing…” My response would be to turn off everything he said after that.

If someone came up to me and said, “I think the government has a responsibility to promote the general welfare by increasing social programs.” I would probably be willing to talk to them and debate the subject.

]]> By: Skyler Collins http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-234 Skyler Collins Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:56:19 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-234 I thought this was relevant: http://www.lewrockwell.com/spl2/33-conspiracy-theories.html I thought this was relevant: http://www.lewrockwell.com/spl2/33-conspiracy-theories.html

]]> By: Steven Montgomery http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-233 Steven Montgomery Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:53:01 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-233 Here's an article John F. McManus wrote in direct reply to Mr. Salcido: http://bit.ly/6UQN95 Here’s an article John F. McManus wrote in direct reply to Mr. Salcido:

http://bit.ly/6UQN95

]]> By: Brian Mecham http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-232 Brian Mecham Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:50:37 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-232 I just came across this while writing a paper on a different topic... it's very relevant to this discussion... “I think it is time for every patriotic American to join with neighbors to study the Constitution and the conspiracy. Subscribe to several good patriotic magazines.” (Ezra Taft Benson - TL 40; compare Enemy 44; from an address given at Boise, ID, 19 Dec 1963) I just came across this while writing a paper on a different topic… it’s very relevant to this discussion…

“I think it is time for every patriotic American to join with neighbors to study the Constitution and the conspiracy. Subscribe to several good patriotic magazines.” (Ezra Taft Benson – TL 40; compare Enemy 44; from an address given at Boise, ID, 19 Dec 1963)

]]> By: Elizabeth http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-231 Elizabeth Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:01:56 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-231 I enjoyed skimming/reading all of the comments (but I do have to find time to eat and pay my bills and get some other things done or I would spend all day ) and found Jerry's commentary to be highly intelligent and in no way condemning of those who walk and talk "conspiracy theory" lingo. Jerry admits that it has its place and that it is all true. No need to bash Jerry here; he is only asking that people tailor their comments to individuals who would be otherwise "turned off" to joining the liberty movement due to not having learned for themselves "YET" that conspiracy theories are true. Jerry is one of you/us and we need to stick together here. No need to "nit-pick" poor Jerry's great commentary. Find where he is agreeing with you please and see what he is truly saying ....that those "fixated" on the conspiracy theories to the point of turning people off to the movement rather than bringing them into the movement is doing more harm than good. He did not saying being fixated on it is bad only if you do it in a way that causes you to bash people in the head with your information thus turning them off so you can feel great about standing up for your own beliefs even if it means losing a needed follower....and we need all we can get...so let's not turn them off...that is all he is saying.....still believe, still speak it, but be careful with some of the people.....that is all he is saying... This is a no-brainer people. You can get more flies with honey etc. That is all he is saying. He is not saying you shouldn't preach conspiracy theories to those who are ready for it but he is saying careful please how you go about trying to bring people into the liberty movement. He is saying that there is a far far far far extreme side to the conspiracy theories which involve aliens inside of people's bodies etc....now maybe that is true , ugh...okay..I'll give you that those who really believe it....however....and I am really going out on a limb here....who the heck knows if that is true unless you have had direct opportunity, the unfortunate opportunity of meeting one of them, again, ugh...but...let's say it isn't true...or even if it is......who the heck is going listen to you if they think you regular middle of the road conspiracy theory proponents are associated with those extremists ....that is Jerry's point...hello?? He is just saying ...tailor your comments appropriately....maybe you guys just missed it because it was just too darn logical and easy to understand....I know when you are all fired up about wanting to win the revolution is must be easy to vent your intensities at the wrong guy but ....ease off, Jerry ...he is one of you/us..... Way to go Connor!! btw...and Brian ...I like your comments and that other man, Ed..was it...you know a lot about what's his name...Krugman? sorry if the spelling is wrong....I will reread your commentary to get more info on him....but Jerry's your bud.. A lot of intelligent well-read people here.....I really enjoyed reading everyone's comments....let's spend more time seeing how Jerry is agreeing with us all...that is all I am saying...he is not dissing talking about conspiracy theories or educating the public about them...he is merely saying downplay that public image so as to bring in the newbies who need "milk not meat".....doesn't that make sense? Get them in ...then ease them into the larger truth.....scaring people into it may work for a few and may be necessary soon enough...but it ain't gonna work right now guys (now I know you must be intelligent enough to know that I am not a high school drop out but am college educated and with an IQ of 154......don't be so easily fooled by your own fears that somebody is not believing you or that they might be dissing you.....shucks...get over your fears of losing ground with your own fellow co-patriots.....chill....thanks for listening...your sister in Zion, Elizabeth (btw Teddy Roosevelt was my great grandfather's cousin and also, my fourth great grandfather's brother sat on the Constitutional Convention so I am not at all a non-patriotic type with that background; I Iove our country and our Founding Fathers and love you men for standing up for what you believe in. Thanks for all your commentaries; you are all awesome brothers!! I am so proud of you all for taking the time to comment and that you have educated yourselves. You inspire me to do more of the same. Bob you are awesome also!) I enjoyed skimming/reading all of the comments (but I do have to find time to eat and pay my bills and get some other things done or I would spend all day ) and found Jerry’s commentary to be highly intelligent and in no way condemning of those who walk and talk “conspiracy theory” lingo. Jerry admits that it has its place and that it is all true. No need to bash Jerry here; he is only asking that people tailor their comments to individuals who would be otherwise “turned off” to joining the liberty movement due to not having learned for themselves “YET” that conspiracy theories are true.
Jerry is one of you/us and we need to stick together here. No need to “nit-pick” poor Jerry’s great commentary. Find where he is agreeing with you please and see what he is truly saying ….that those “fixated” on the conspiracy theories to the point of turning people off to the movement rather than bringing them into the movement is doing more harm than good. He did not saying being fixated on it is bad only if you do it in a way that causes you to bash people in the head with your information thus turning them off so you can feel great about standing up for your own beliefs even if it means losing a needed follower….and we need all we can get…so let’s not turn them off…that is all he is saying…..still believe, still speak it, but be careful with some of the people…..that is all he is saying…
This is a no-brainer people. You can get more flies with honey etc. That is all he is saying. He is not saying you shouldn’t preach conspiracy theories to those who are ready for it but he is saying careful please how you go about trying to bring people into the liberty movement. He is saying that there is a far far far far extreme side to the conspiracy theories which involve aliens inside of people’s bodies etc….now maybe that is true , ugh…okay..I’ll give you that those who really believe it….however….and I am really going out on a limb here….who the heck knows if that is true unless you have had direct opportunity, the unfortunate opportunity of meeting one of them, again, ugh…but…let’s say it isn’t true…or even if it is……who the heck is going listen to you if they think you regular middle of the road conspiracy theory proponents are associated with those extremists ….that is Jerry’s point…hello?? He is just saying …tailor your comments appropriately….maybe you guys just missed it because it was just too darn logical and easy to understand….I know when you are all fired up about wanting to win the revolution is must be easy to vent your intensities at the wrong guy but ….ease off, Jerry …he is one of you/us…..
Way to go Connor!! btw…and Brian …I like your comments and that other man, Ed..was it…you know a lot about what’s his name…Krugman? sorry if the spelling is wrong….I will reread your commentary to get more info on him….but Jerry’s your bud..
A lot of intelligent well-read people here…..I really enjoyed reading everyone’s comments….let’s spend more time seeing how Jerry is agreeing with us all…that is all I am saying…he is not dissing talking about conspiracy theories or educating the public about them…he is merely saying downplay that public image so as to bring in the newbies who need “milk not meat”…..doesn’t that make sense? Get them in …then ease them into the larger truth…..scaring people into it may work for a few and may be necessary soon enough…but it ain’t gonna work right now guys (now I know you must be intelligent enough to know that I am not a high school drop out but am college educated and with an IQ of 154……don’t be so easily fooled by your own fears that somebody is not believing you or that they might be dissing you…..shucks…get over your fears of losing ground with your own fellow co-patriots…..chill….thanks for listening…your sister in Zion, Elizabeth (btw Teddy Roosevelt was my great grandfather’s cousin and also, my fourth great grandfather’s brother sat on the Constitutional Convention so I am not at all a non-patriotic type with that background; I Iove our country and our Founding Fathers and love you men for standing up for what you believe in. Thanks for all your commentaries; you are all awesome brothers!! I am so proud of you all for taking the time to comment and that you have educated yourselves. You inspire me to do more of the same. Bob you are awesome also!)

]]> By: Jerry Owens http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-230 Jerry Owens Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:40:25 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-230 Dear Patriot Friends ...Brothers and Sisters... Let me tell you how I see it. When we stretch out a 'time line'...here's what I see... 1 .America is established...a land blessed IF it follows Christ. A nation cursed and destroyed IF it turns its back on the Savior. So far we have seen 2 nations come and go. The Jaridites and Nephits are gone!....They did not honor the Lord Jesus Christ! Aside: Fact: Liberty loving nations tend to desolve within an approximate 200 +/- years. 2. I believe most 'Patriots' would agree that America, for THE MOST PART, has REJECTED CHRIST. This can be pointed out by the TRAITORS we have elected over the past 40+ years! (As Ken B. has pointed out)...In my opinion this can also be said about the VAST MAJORITY of LDS folks who 'supported' the TRAITOR BUSH!!! MOST LDS 'have eyes, but do not see" 3. Along the way SOME LDS...A HAND FULL!!!.... have "awakened to their awful situation."....and for the past 30-50 years 'WE PATIOTS' have DONE OUR BEST to "awaken" our brothers and sisters.....WITH LITTLE REAL CHANGE FOR GOOD>>>>THE "BAD GUYS" ARE WINNING THIS 'PHASE'! And our 'brothers and sisters' STAY ASLEEP!!! ....We 'Patriots" are getting "Brownie Points in Heaven"!!! Aside: IF you want to know EXACTLY WHY we Americans AND LDS are asleep...go to 2Thes.2:10-12...>>>>>WE LOVE THE LIE!>>>>"And for this CAUSE GOD shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie..." (please read this) 4. So as the time line goes.....we finally reach the>>>POINT OF NO RETURN>>>>The "going over the falls" HAPPENS>>>>or as Helaman says: "...your days of probation ARE PAST, ye have procrastinated the day of your salvation UNTIL IT IS EVERLASTINGLY TOO LATE, AND YOUR DESTRUCTION IS MADE SURE." Helaman 13:38 The evidence is all around us.....HOW ON EARTH DOES A NATION "REPENT" OF MURDERING 40,000,000+ BABIES???!!!>>>>IT DOESN'T!!!! BUT IT DOES REAP THE WRATH OF A JUST GOD!!! 5. So here's the BIG PICTURE and BOTTOM LINE: A. America's "DESTRUCTION IS MADE SURE"! B. Sometime in the NEAR FUTURE>>> D&C112:23-27 "...ALL FLESH has become corrupt...vengeance cometh SPEEDILY...AND UPON MY HOUSE SHALL IT BEGIN." C. D&C 29:16+17 "And there SHALL BE a great hail storm sent forth to destroy the crops of the earth." D. Isaiah 3:1 "...the Lord...deprives...all food and water supply..." E. What we MUST DO to survive: Isaiah 26:20 "Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast."....Do you have your "years supply"???? (of food and water!) Aside: The WISE VIRGINS will BE PREPARED>>>BOTH temporally and spiritually.... The FOOLISH VIRGINS will NOT have 'oil' for their lamps....i.e. FOOD & WATER! The FOOLISH VIRGINS are those who will face the Anti-Christ...and according to the Book of Revelations they will either: A. Take the 'mark of the beast' and 'be damned'! OR B. They will be BEHEADED!!!...and go on to their 'glory'. The WISE VIRGINS are those who go to Missouri to build ZION!>>>>Isaiah 1:9 "Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a VERY SMALL REMNANT , we should have been as Sodom..." So where does that leave us!!??.....Those who are prepared BOTH SPIRITUALLY and TEMPORALLY>>>>WILL BE GOING TO MISSOURI....AND THEY HAVE JOY KNOWING THAT THE "END" OF THIS WICKED WORLD IS ABOUT OVER!!!>>>>AND THAT THE MILLEMIUM IS ABOUT TO BEGIN!!!! PRAISE THE LORD!!!! Those who are NOT PREPARED are in for a HELL OF A TIME>>>>And I mean HELL LITERALLY!!! So my 2 cents worth....BE PREPARED....you can RE-ARRANGE THE CHAIRS ON THE TITANIC ALL YOU WANT....BUT DON'T FORGET TO PREPARE.... BECAUSE ..."IT IS EVERLASTINGLY TOO LATE, AND YOUR (AMERICAS) DESTRUCTION IS MADE SURE.".... And READ AND UNDERSTAND ISAIAH....the ONLY scriptures we are literally COMMANDED to read and UNDERSTAND (One key to understanding Isaiah>>>>It IS written to and about the 'COVENANT CHURCH">>>>US!!! Also realize that WE HAVE "POLLUTED THE HOLY CHURCH OF GOD"!!! Mormon 8:38....It's a good time to NOT rely "on the arm of flesh"!....but to be guided by the spirit. Aside: I want to say that I am in no way a 'righteous person'....I'm a "want-ta-be"...I'm a sinner who is trying to repent.... I believe I have 'seen' some things BECAUSE I HAVE 'ASKED'....but knowing something doesn't make you 'righteous'.....LIVING THE TRUTH IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT!...LIVING HIS WILL>>>>>I think you'd agree. I HOPE WE MEET UP ON THE ROAD TO MISSOURI... I WANT TO SING A SONG OF PRAISE WITH YOU!!! You Brother in Christ; Jerry Owens Dear Patriot Friends …Brothers and Sisters…

Let me tell you how I see it. When we stretch out a ‘time line’…here’s what I see…

1 .America is established…a land blessed IF it follows Christ. A nation cursed and destroyed IF it turns its back on the Savior. So far we have seen 2 nations come and go. The Jaridites and Nephits are gone!….They did not honor the Lord Jesus Christ!

Aside: Fact: Liberty loving nations tend to desolve within an approximate 200 +/- years.

2. I believe most ‘Patriots’ would agree that America, for THE MOST PART, has REJECTED CHRIST. This can be pointed out by the TRAITORS we have elected over the past 40+ years! (As Ken B. has pointed out)…In my opinion this can also be said about the VAST MAJORITY of LDS folks who ‘supported’ the TRAITOR BUSH!!! MOST LDS ‘have eyes, but do not see”

3. Along the way SOME LDS…A HAND FULL!!!…. have “awakened to their awful situation.”….and for the past 30-50 years ‘WE PATIOTS’ have DONE OUR BEST to “awaken” our brothers and sisters…..WITH LITTLE REAL CHANGE FOR GOOD>>>>THE “BAD GUYS” ARE WINNING THIS ‘PHASE’! And our ‘brothers and sisters’ STAY ASLEEP!!! ….We ‘Patriots” are getting “Brownie Points in Heaven”!!!

Aside: IF you want to know EXACTLY WHY we Americans AND LDS are asleep…go to 2Thes.2:10-12…>>>>>WE LOVE THE LIE!>>>>”And for this CAUSE GOD shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie…” (please read this)

4. So as the time line goes…..we finally reach the>>>POINT OF NO RETURN>>>>The “going over the falls” HAPPENS>>>>or as Helaman says: “…your days of probation ARE PAST, ye have procrastinated the day of your salvation UNTIL IT IS EVERLASTINGLY TOO LATE, AND YOUR DESTRUCTION IS MADE SURE.” Helaman 13:38 The evidence is all around us…..HOW ON EARTH DOES A NATION “REPENT” OF MURDERING 40,000,000+ BABIES???!!!>>>>IT DOESN’T!!!! BUT IT DOES REAP THE WRATH OF A JUST GOD!!!

5. So here’s the BIG PICTURE and BOTTOM LINE:

A. America’s “DESTRUCTION IS MADE SURE”!
B. Sometime in the NEAR FUTURE>>> D&C112:23-27 “…ALL FLESH has become corrupt…vengeance cometh SPEEDILY…AND UPON MY HOUSE SHALL IT BEGIN.”
C. D&C 29:16+17 “And there SHALL BE a great hail storm sent forth to destroy the crops of the earth.”
D. Isaiah 3:1 “…the Lord…deprives…all food and water supply…”
E. What we MUST DO to survive: Isaiah 26:20 “Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.”….Do you have your “years supply”???? (of food and water!)

Aside: The WISE VIRGINS will BE PREPARED>>>BOTH temporally and spiritually….
The FOOLISH VIRGINS will NOT have ‘oil’ for their lamps….i.e. FOOD & WATER!
The FOOLISH VIRGINS are those who will face the Anti-Christ…and according to the Book of Revelations they will either:
A. Take the ‘mark of the beast’ and ‘be damned’! OR
B. They will be BEHEADED!!!…and go on to their ‘glory’.

The WISE VIRGINS are those who go to Missouri to build ZION!>>>>Isaiah 1:9 “Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a VERY SMALL REMNANT , we should have been as Sodom…”

So where does that leave us!!??…..Those who are prepared BOTH SPIRITUALLY and TEMPORALLY>>>>WILL BE GOING TO MISSOURI….AND THEY HAVE JOY KNOWING THAT THE “END” OF THIS WICKED WORLD IS ABOUT OVER!!!>>>>AND THAT THE MILLEMIUM IS ABOUT TO BEGIN!!!! PRAISE THE LORD!!!!

Those who are NOT PREPARED are in for a HELL OF A TIME>>>>And I mean HELL LITERALLY!!!

So my 2 cents worth….BE PREPARED….you can RE-ARRANGE THE CHAIRS ON THE TITANIC ALL YOU WANT….BUT DON’T FORGET TO PREPARE….
BECAUSE …”IT IS EVERLASTINGLY TOO LATE, AND YOUR (AMERICAS) DESTRUCTION IS MADE SURE.”….

And READ AND UNDERSTAND ISAIAH….the ONLY scriptures we are literally COMMANDED to read and UNDERSTAND (One key to understanding Isaiah>>>>It IS written to and about the ‘COVENANT CHURCH”>>>>US!!!

Also realize that WE HAVE “POLLUTED THE HOLY CHURCH OF GOD”!!!
Mormon 8:38….It’s a good time to NOT rely “on the arm of flesh”!….but to be guided by the spirit.

Aside: I want to say that I am in no way a ‘righteous person’….I’m a “want-ta-be”…I’m a sinner who is trying to repent….

I believe I have ‘seen’ some things BECAUSE I HAVE ‘ASKED’….but knowing something doesn’t make you ‘righteous’…..LIVING THE TRUTH IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT!…LIVING HIS WILL>>>>>I think you’d agree.

I HOPE WE MEET UP ON THE ROAD TO MISSOURI…

I WANT TO SING A SONG OF PRAISE WITH YOU!!!

You Brother in Christ; Jerry Owens

]]> By: Darren Andrews http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-229 Darren Andrews Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:15:05 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-229 I agree with the comments made above. There has been a lot of mature feedback here and I have not read anything I would describe as coming from "conspiracy nuts" :) We do need to understand BOTH the principles and the nature and identity of those who oppose those principles. I think we would all agree that the principles should be our foundation. These are the things that lift and inspire. I believe that, in the gospel, we need to have a "testimony" (if that is the right word) of the Adversary. Indeed, I wonder if we can truly progress and repent if we deny the "role" of that being. We need to understand how he works. Today, however, many people - including LDS - fail to understand political methods of warfare. Pincer movements, pressure from above and below, thesis-antithesis-solution, the ancient power technique (as President McKay called it), etc. are all blanks in peoples' knowledge which leads to a lot of manipulation in the world. Of course, a true understanding of the attack must first be predicated upon the value of the thing being attacked. We do not defend liberty strongly enough when we do not comprehend its principles and value. We do not defend it effectively enough when we do not understand the methods employed to attack it and the nature of the enemy. I agree with the comments made above. There has been a lot of mature feedback here and I have not read anything I would describe as coming from “conspiracy nuts” :) We do need to understand BOTH the principles and the nature and identity of those who oppose those principles. I think we would all agree that the principles should be our foundation. These are the things that lift and inspire.

I believe that, in the gospel, we need to have a “testimony” (if that is the right word) of the Adversary. Indeed, I wonder if we can truly progress and repent if we deny the “role” of that being. We need to understand how he works. Today, however, many people – including LDS – fail to understand political methods of warfare. Pincer movements, pressure from above and below, thesis-antithesis-solution, the ancient power technique (as President McKay called it), etc. are all blanks in peoples’ knowledge which leads to a lot of manipulation in the world.

Of course, a true understanding of the attack must first be predicated upon the value of the thing being attacked.

We do not defend liberty strongly enough when we do not comprehend its principles and value. We do not defend it effectively enough when we do not understand the methods employed to attack it and the nature of the enemy.

]]> By: RamSam http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-228 RamSam Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:49:27 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-228 I agree with this article 100%, in fact it is such a breath of fresh liberty loving air! I know, as I can tell you do as well, that there are indeed secret combinations of all kinds involved in the government, however I agree that it becomes a distraction. I want to discuss freedom, I want to discuss the Constitution, I want to promote a righteous and liberty loving politician, and throw out those who are stealing our precious freedoms out form under us. I just don't see how becoming enraged over 9/11 helps me insure freedom for my children. Even if every conspiracy I hear is true (which I have never said it isn't) isn't our GOAL still the same thing? Limiting government? Protecting our Constitutional rights? Electing men of integrity? If we could just put these debates of conspiracy aside and meet on what we agree on, we might actually come together and be a force that could make some serious change.....for the better. That I truly believe. I should add I clicked over from ldsconservative.com, where a recent post is on attack of this article. I agree with this article 100%, in fact it is such a breath of fresh liberty loving air!
I know, as I can tell you do as well, that there are indeed secret combinations of all kinds involved in the government, however I agree that it becomes a distraction.
I want to discuss freedom, I want to discuss the Constitution, I want to promote a righteous and liberty loving politician, and throw out those who are stealing our precious freedoms out form under us. I just don’t see how becoming enraged over 9/11 helps me insure freedom for my children.

Even if every conspiracy I hear is true (which I have never said it isn’t) isn’t our GOAL still the same thing? Limiting government? Protecting our Constitutional rights? Electing men of integrity? If we could just put these debates of conspiracy aside and meet on what we agree on, we might actually come together and be a force that could make some serious change…..for the better. That I truly believe.

I should add I clicked over from ldsconservative.com, where a recent post is on attack of this article.

]]> By: Brian Mecham http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-227 Brian Mecham Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:58:00 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-227 Ezra Taft Benson counseled us to become familiar with both the principles and the conspiracy... Once you get the facts about our American Constitutional Republic and the threats to it-then you are going to want to do something. Certainly those who are organized and have a plan and are dedicated, though they be few, will always defeat the many who are not organized and have no plan or dedication. The Communists have proved this and the fighters for freedom must realize it too. If, then, you want to have impact through an organization, make sure that organization squares with the scriptures and the prophets and the spirit. Then move forward and use your free agency to accomplish that which is virtuous and praiseworthy and let the devil and his agents and dupes howl. Yes, the Fabian Socialists are as busy as bees rolling out the red carpet which leads inevitably to Communism. Faced with this situation our first duty is that of education. Starting with ourselves we must become familiar with the broad outlines of our movement toward destruction. We must, as President McKay has urged, become alerted and informed. After becoming informed ourselves, we must carry the word to all within hearing or seeing range, so that they, too, can become awakened. Take every opportunity to pass sound literature and books around so that your neighbors and their neighbors will awaken before it is too late. We are literally in a race against time and we must take every opportunity to spread the word. We must not become confused over side issues... Our mortal enemies are the Satanic Communists and those who prepare the path for them. It is not, however, enough to be acquainted with the grave dangers facing these United States. We must also instruct ourselves, and others, in the great spiritual values underlying our Divinely inspired Constitution and our American free-enterprise system. One of the many sure ways of defeating our enemy is to instruct the people about the eternal verities of our own country. A mind, so enlightened, will reject Marxian Socialism whether it be in the form of Communism, Nazism, Fascism, Welfare-Statism or some other man-made monstrosity. <a href="http://www.latterdayconservative.com/articles/ezra-taft-benson/a-race-against-time" rel="nofollow">A Race Against Time</a> Ezra Taft Benson counseled us to become familiar with both the principles and the conspiracy…

Once you get the facts about our American Constitutional Republic and the threats to it-then you are going to want to do something. Certainly those who are organized and have a plan and are dedicated, though they be few, will always defeat the many who are not organized and have no plan or dedication. The Communists have proved this and the fighters for freedom must realize it too. If, then, you want to have impact through an organization, make sure that organization squares with the scriptures and the prophets and the spirit. Then move forward and use your free agency to accomplish that which is virtuous and praiseworthy and let the devil and his agents and dupes howl.

Yes, the Fabian Socialists are as busy as bees rolling out the red carpet which leads inevitably to Communism. Faced with this situation our first duty is that of education. Starting with ourselves we must become familiar with the broad outlines of our movement toward destruction. We must, as President McKay has urged, become alerted and informed. After becoming informed ourselves, we must carry the word to all within hearing or seeing range, so that they, too, can become awakened. Take every opportunity to pass sound literature and books around so that your neighbors and their neighbors will awaken before it is too late. We are literally in a race against time and we must take every opportunity to spread the word.

We must not become confused over side issues… Our mortal enemies are the Satanic Communists and those who prepare the path for them.

It is not, however, enough to be acquainted with the grave dangers facing these United States. We must also instruct ourselves, and others, in the great spiritual values underlying our Divinely inspired Constitution and our American free-enterprise system. One of the many sure ways of defeating our enemy is to instruct the people about the eternal verities of our own country. A mind, so enlightened, will reject Marxian Socialism whether it be in the form of Communism, Nazism, Fascism, Welfare-Statism or some other man-made monstrosity.

A Race Against Time

]]> By: Brian Mecham http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-226 Brian Mecham Tue, 05 Jan 2010 00:48:12 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-226 <blockquote>Abe wrote: "Everyone believes in freedom, no one wants to be a slave. Speaking about freedom and not about those who are taking it away from us by Conspiracy IS the problem"</blockquote> Abe, I think you've made an excellent point there. I've definitely noticed a difference between 'LDS Patriots' who understand the Secret Combination and those who don't... Those who don't understand Secret Combinations are often like the false patriot President Kimball warned spoke about in "<a href="http://www.latterdayconservative.com/articles/spencer-w-kimball/the-false-gods-we-worship" rel="nofollow">The False God's We Worship</a>" and also tend to be a 'constitutionalist' only to the point of opposing the democrat's/liberals, but not true support of the principles of freedom.

Abe wrote: “Everyone believes in freedom, no one wants to be a slave. Speaking about freedom and not about those who are taking it away from us by Conspiracy IS the problem”

Abe, I think you’ve made an excellent point there. I’ve definitely noticed a difference between ‘LDS Patriots’ who understand the Secret Combination and those who don’t… Those who don’t understand Secret Combinations are often like the false patriot President Kimball warned spoke about in “The False God’s We Worship” and also tend to be a ‘constitutionalist’ only to the point of opposing the democrat’s/liberals, but not true support of the principles of freedom.

]]> By: Abe Day http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-225 Abe Day Tue, 05 Jan 2010 00:33:22 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-225 Jerry, It's a COMMANDMENT to bring conspiracies to light. (Ether chapter 8). Exposing secret combination for what they are is looking at the the 'other' philosophy to contrast freedom with. All of the people I associate with HAVE woken up because they've awakened to the awful predicament we are in. Everyone believes in freedom, no one wants to be a slave. Speaking about freedom and not about those who are taking it away from us by Conspiracy IS the problem. And remember IT'S A COMMANDMENT! See http://www.ldsfreemen.com/the-11th-commandment-of-the-book-of-mormon/ Jerry,

It’s a COMMANDMENT to bring conspiracies to light. (Ether chapter 8). Exposing secret combination for what they are is looking at the the ‘other’ philosophy to contrast freedom with. All of the people I associate with HAVE woken up because they’ve awakened to the awful predicament we are in. Everyone believes in freedom, no one wants to be a slave. Speaking about freedom and not about those who are taking it away from us by Conspiracy IS the problem. And remember IT’S A COMMANDMENT!
See http://www.ldsfreemen.com/the-11th-commandment-of-the-book-of-mormon/

]]> By: Edward C. Noonan http://www.ldsliberty.org/philosophy-vs-conspiracy/#comment-224 Edward C. Noonan Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:49:03 +0000 http://www.ldsfreemen.com/?p=1561#comment-224 To: Ken Bowers Thank you for your comments. Jerry Salcido's last post was so much out of character from his former posts. He is such an rabid fan of Ron Paul and he definitely seems to be a believer in the Ron Paulite doctrine of non-interventionist in foreign lands, and the Paulite doctrine of ANTI-FEDERAL RESERVE, and the Ron Paulite ANTI-United Nations stance...then all of a sudden he jumps up and saying anyone decrying such illegal conspiracies against the Constitution and the American People is WRONG AND BAD! All of Salcido's posts have been signed under the banner of CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY (a Ron Paulite organization) (a so-called prime CONSPIRACY THEORY WHACKO group). Personally, I agree with 100% of what I see on Ron Paul's anti-Federal Reserve webpage -- http://www.campaignforliberty.com But Salcido's last post pretty well slugged his hero, Ron Paul in the jaw and spit in Ron Paul's face! Posts by Jerry Salcido: Philosophy vs. Conspiracy His signature now is "Copyright © 2009 Jerry Salcido" vs. "Copyright © 2009 Campaign for Liberty" in the past! Did Salcido leave the Paulite camp? Save Those Bullets for the Monsters Laments about Alameda County Republican CC failure to get an introduced resolution advocating a non-interventionist foreign policy for the ACRCC adopted. 20 GLOBALIST REPUBLICANS against 13 less globalist republicans. See: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul255.html Too Kooky for the Constitution? Pro-Ron Paul piece: Salcido laments GLOBALIST SEACH FOR MONSTERS by the Globalist Republican Party and Democrat Party. Obama Deserved It This again, was written under a Ron Paulite banner "Copyright © 2009 Campaign for Liberty." Salcido points out that GLOBALIST OBAMA continued the GLOBALIST WARS first started under the GLOBALIST REPUBLICANS. Independence Requires Independents This seems to be a "List of sins of the Republican Party" - a Pro-Ron Paul piece. Both Ron Paul and Salcido know the Globalist Republicans are EVIL but daily get in bed with the evil globalist republicans. This is Independence? And this makes them Independent? Hmmmmmmmm! Publik Edumacation Refermation Blames Obama for the continued corrupt Globalist Education System but fails to acknowledge that the Republicans embraced our educational system for many past decades. The Return of America’s Anathema Conspiracy Theory? Anti-Federal Reserve thoughts are NOT in the mainstream Republican Party! But this piece is what Salcido writes about in "Philosophy vs. Conspiracy." Lockeing Up Leviathan Evil Beast= Leviathan; Levianthan=GLOBALIST State; Globalist State=GLOBALIST Republicans! Proposition St8 Anti gay marriage discussion. Great piece. I have respect for most of RON PAUL's issues. However, I do not have respect for him BECAUSE OF THE PARTY HE REPRESENTS. I also do not respect him for the fact he FAILED TO INVESTIGATE our concerns that BARRY SOETORO a.k.a. BARACK OBAMA is not a citizen of the UNITED STATES. We mailed him a copy of a school record that showed Soetoro to be a citizen of the nation of Indonesia. We demanded to discover when and where Soetoro regained citizenship to the United States of America. We also sent Ron Paul a copy of a page from Soetoro/Obama's book, DREAMS FROM MY FATHER where it claimed that Soetoro's father was a foreign national (British/Kenyan). This would automatically disqualify Soetoro from being a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN of the United States and unqualified from holding the office of President. Ron Paul (as most Americans) buried his head in the sand and prefers to ignore this issue "of the century." I have been a member of two Constitutional CITIZEN GRAND JURIES that have indicted Soetoro for fraud and treason. I have been a member of Tea Parties protesting various grievances I have regarding the current condition of our state and nation. The government has ignored all of our petitions! Dr. Orly Taitz has recently commented that perhaps it is time for ARMED RALLIES. One such just happened recently: http://m.ocregister.com/ocregister/db_13184/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=B0901F7DDBA0B009E48381F38992C886?contentguid=09lmbwvu&storycount=792&detailindex=7&pn=2&ps=10&full=true#display Armed Tea Party in New Mexico http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_14113973 Republican Candidate - Catherine Crabill calls for armed rallies! http://teablogging.net/2009/07/16/republican-candidate-calls-for-armed-uprising-at-tea-party-rally/ I would LOVE to hear what Jerry Salcido has to say about armed rallies? What does he think about having a Commander in Chief that is NOT a citizen of the United States? As the Chairman of the ACRCC he took the oath to defend our Constitution. Is he doing so if we have an unconstitutional squatter in the White House? Let me hear from you all! Edward C. Noonan Chairman - Yuba County American Independent Party National Committee Member: America's Independent Party Founder - CA Mormon Battalion Former 2006-2008 State Party Chairman - American Independent Party Former 2006 Candidate/Governor - State of California Former 2002 Candidate/Secretary of State - State of California http://www.4xtreme.org To: Ken Bowers

Thank you for your comments. Jerry Salcido’s last post was so much out of character from his former posts. He is such an rabid fan of Ron Paul and he definitely seems to be a believer in the Ron Paulite doctrine of non-interventionist in foreign lands, and the Paulite doctrine of ANTI-FEDERAL RESERVE, and the Ron Paulite ANTI-United Nations stance…then all of a sudden he jumps up and saying anyone decrying such illegal conspiracies against the Constitution and the American People is WRONG AND BAD!

All of Salcido’s posts have been signed under the banner of CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY (a Ron Paulite organization) (a so-called prime CONSPIRACY THEORY WHACKO group). Personally, I agree with 100% of what I see on Ron Paul’s anti-Federal Reserve webpage — http://www.campaignforliberty.com

But Salcido’s last post pretty well slugged his hero, Ron Paul in the jaw and spit in Ron Paul’s face!

Posts by Jerry Salcido:

Philosophy vs. Conspiracy
His signature now is “Copyright © 2009 Jerry Salcido” vs. “Copyright © 2009 Campaign for Liberty” in the past! Did Salcido leave the Paulite camp?

Save Those Bullets for the Monsters
Laments about Alameda County Republican CC failure to get an introduced resolution advocating a non-interventionist foreign policy for the ACRCC adopted. 20 GLOBALIST REPUBLICANS against 13 less globalist republicans.

See: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul255.html

Too Kooky for the Constitution?
Pro-Ron Paul piece: Salcido laments GLOBALIST SEACH FOR MONSTERS by the Globalist Republican Party and Democrat Party.

Obama Deserved It
This again, was written under a Ron Paulite banner “Copyright © 2009 Campaign for Liberty.” Salcido points out that GLOBALIST OBAMA continued the GLOBALIST WARS first started under the GLOBALIST REPUBLICANS.

Independence Requires Independents
This seems to be a “List of sins of the Republican Party” – a Pro-Ron Paul piece. Both Ron Paul and Salcido know the Globalist Republicans are EVIL but daily get in bed with the evil globalist republicans. This is Independence? And this makes them Independent? Hmmmmmmmm!

Publik Edumacation Refermation
Blames Obama for the continued corrupt Globalist Education System but fails to acknowledge that the Republicans embraced our educational system for many past decades.

The Return of America’s Anathema
Conspiracy Theory? Anti-Federal Reserve thoughts are NOT in the mainstream Republican Party! But this piece is what Salcido writes about in “Philosophy vs. Conspiracy.”

Lockeing Up Leviathan
Evil Beast= Leviathan; Levianthan=GLOBALIST State; Globalist State=GLOBALIST Republicans!

Proposition St8
Anti gay marriage discussion. Great piece.

I have respect for most of RON PAUL’s issues. However, I do not have respect for him BECAUSE OF THE PARTY HE REPRESENTS. I also do not respect him for the fact he FAILED TO INVESTIGATE our concerns that BARRY SOETORO a.k.a. BARACK OBAMA is not a citizen of the UNITED STATES. We mailed him a copy of a school record that showed Soetoro to be a citizen of the nation of Indonesia. We demanded to discover when and where Soetoro regained citizenship to the United States of America.

We also sent Ron Paul a copy of a page from Soetoro/Obama’s book, DREAMS FROM MY FATHER where it claimed that Soetoro’s father was a foreign national (British/Kenyan). This would automatically disqualify Soetoro from being a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN of the United States and unqualified from holding the office of President.

Ron Paul (as most Americans) buried his head in the sand and prefers to ignore this issue “of the century.”

I have been a member of two Constitutional CITIZEN GRAND JURIES that have indicted Soetoro for fraud and treason. I have been a member of Tea Parties protesting various grievances I have regarding the current condition of our state and nation. The government has ignored all of our petitions!

Dr. Orly Taitz has recently commented that perhaps it is time for ARMED RALLIES. One such just happened recently:
http://m.ocregister.com/ocregister/db_13184/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=B0901F7DDBA0B009E48381F38992C886?contentguid=09lmbwvu&storycount=792&detailindex=7&pn=2&ps=10&full=true#display

Armed Tea Party in New Mexico
http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_14113973

Republican Candidate – Catherine Crabill calls for armed rallies!
http://teablogging.net/2009/07/16/republican-candidate-calls-for-armed-uprising-at-tea-party-rally/

I would LOVE to hear what Jerry Salcido has to say about armed rallies? What does he think about having a Commander in Chief that is NOT a citizen of the United States? As the Chairman of the ACRCC he took the oath to defend our Constitution. Is he doing so if we have an unconstitutional squatter in the White House?

Let me hear from you all!

Edward C. Noonan
Chairman – Yuba County American Independent Party
National Committee Member: America’s Independent Party
Founder – CA Mormon Battalion
Former 2006-2008 State Party Chairman – American Independent Party
Former 2006 Candidate/Governor – State of California
Former 2002 Candidate/Secretary of State – State of California

http://www.4xtreme.org

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